Comments on: The Bear’s Grove 37: Race and RPGs http://bearsgrove.com/2008/02/18/the-bears-grove-37-race-and-rpgs/ Adult Level Discussion of Roleplaying as a Storytelling Art Fri, 16 May 2008 18:58:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Daniel M. Perez (The Gamer Traveler/The Digital Front) http://bearsgrove.com/2008/02/18/the-bears-grove-37-race-and-rpgs/#comment-19425 Daniel M. Perez (The Gamer Traveler/The Digital Front) Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:11:54 +0000 http://bearsgrove.com/2008/02/18/the-bears-grove-37-race-and-rpgs/#comment-19425 Excellent show, Sam, and an excellent topic to discuss, just perfect for your show. I have to critique you a bit, though, in that it felt like you were floundering a couple of times during the show. A bit tighter editing would have gotten rid of that impression. I also think that, as good a conversation as it was, there were a couple of times when issues were not better explored (though of course, I cannot recall any to mind now). I think this would be a good topic to come back to, perhaps even with members of other minorities, such as Hispanics or Asians, Jews or Muslims, or gays. We have had a big surge of members of all these groups doing active work in gaming, whether designing or as part of a greater team, and it would be nice to look at the issue in a borader context. Take care, Excellent show, Sam, and an excellent topic to discuss, just perfect for your show. I have to critique you a bit, though, in that it felt like you were floundering a couple of times during the show. A bit tighter editing would have gotten rid of that impression. I also think that, as good a conversation as it was, there were a couple of times when issues were not better explored (though of course, I cannot recall any to mind now). I think this would be a good topic to come back to, perhaps even with members of other minorities, such as Hispanics or Asians, Jews or Muslims, or gays. We have had a big surge of members of all these groups doing active work in gaming, whether designing or as part of a greater team, and it would be nice to look at the issue in a borader context.

Take care,

]]> By: Chris http://bearsgrove.com/2008/02/18/the-bears-grove-37-race-and-rpgs/#comment-17004 Chris Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:44:45 +0000 http://bearsgrove.com/2008/02/18/the-bears-grove-37-race-and-rpgs/#comment-17004 Hey Seth, Yeah, it's the fact that they came across as "couple" more than gangster which I thought was great. There's also this way in which you don't see images of POC couples in love very often in the media. Hey Seth,

Yeah, it’s the fact that they came across as “couple” more than gangster which I thought was great. There’s also this way in which you don’t see images of POC couples in love very often in the media.

]]> By: A Dark And Quiet Room » Race and RPGs and Dirty Secrets http://bearsgrove.com/2008/02/18/the-bears-grove-37-race-and-rpgs/#comment-16686 A Dark And Quiet Room » Race and RPGs and Dirty Secrets Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:22:17 +0000 http://bearsgrove.com/2008/02/18/the-bears-grove-37-race-and-rpgs/#comment-16686 [...] Chupp interviewed Chris Chinn for his podcast The Bear’s Grove on the issue of race and RPGs. Dirty Secrets was mentioned positively during the interview. This is [...] […] Chupp interviewed Chris Chinn for his podcast The Bear’s Grove on the issue of race and RPGs. Dirty Secrets was mentioned positively during the interview. This is […]

]]> By: Seth Ben-Ezra http://bearsgrove.com/2008/02/18/the-bears-grove-37-race-and-rpgs/#comment-16684 Seth Ben-Ezra Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:18:29 +0000 http://bearsgrove.com/2008/02/18/the-bears-grove-37-race-and-rpgs/#comment-16684 Please do, Sam. Thanks! Please do, Sam. Thanks!

]]> By: Julia http://bearsgrove.com/2008/02/18/the-bears-grove-37-race-and-rpgs/#comment-16679 Julia Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:44:46 +0000 http://bearsgrove.com/2008/02/18/the-bears-grove-37-race-and-rpgs/#comment-16679 And thank you for the nice things you guys said about my game! This was a fantastic interview and wonderful dialog! And thank you for the nice things you guys said about my game! This was a fantastic interview and wonderful dialog!

]]> By: Sam Chupp http://bearsgrove.com/2008/02/18/the-bears-grove-37-race-and-rpgs/#comment-16637 Sam Chupp Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:23:10 +0000 http://bearsgrove.com/2008/02/18/the-bears-grove-37-race-and-rpgs/#comment-16637 Thanks to <a href="http://stone-baby.com/wp-trackback.php?p=46" rel="nofollow">Julia Bond Ellingboe</a> for posting in her Stone Baby Games blog about us! Thanks to Julia Bond Ellingboe for posting in her Stone Baby Games blog about us!

]]> By: Sam Chupp http://bearsgrove.com/2008/02/18/the-bears-grove-37-race-and-rpgs/#comment-16632 Sam Chupp Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:09:22 +0000 http://bearsgrove.com/2008/02/18/the-bears-grove-37-race-and-rpgs/#comment-16632 Thanks for the shout-out Seth! If you like, I can forward your email address to Chris directly. Thanks for the shout-out Seth! If you like, I can forward your email address to Chris directly.

]]> By: Stone Baby Games » Podcast on Race and RPG’s http://bearsgrove.com/2008/02/18/the-bears-grove-37-race-and-rpgs/#comment-16545 Stone Baby Games » Podcast on Race and RPG’s Wed, 20 Feb 2008 06:04:22 +0000 http://bearsgrove.com/2008/02/18/the-bears-grove-37-race-and-rpgs/#comment-16545 [...] out Sam Chupp’s Interview with Chris Chinn on The Bear’s Grove Podcast. Thanks, guys, for the honorable mention! No Comments [...] […] out Sam Chupp’s Interview with Chris Chinn on The Bear’s Grove Podcast. Thanks, guys, for the honorable mention! No Comments […]

]]> By: Seth Ben-Ezra http://bearsgrove.com/2008/02/18/the-bears-grove-37-race-and-rpgs/#comment-16370 Seth Ben-Ezra Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:59:28 +0000 http://bearsgrove.com/2008/02/18/the-bears-grove-37-race-and-rpgs/#comment-16370 Hey, this is Seth Ben-Ezra, designer of Dirty Secrets. I wanted to thank the two of you for discussing my game. My wife did the art direction for the book, and we agreed that, since the game was poking at racial issues, it was vitally important that we select the various photographs with care. I'm glad that this came across well. And, regarding the Latino "gangster" couple, we actually both think that they're kind of cute. Reminds us a bit of us, actually. (I'm really tall, and my wife is really short.) I doubt that came across quite as well, but even in that picture, we connected with the basic humanity of the people in the picture. If possible, I'd appreciate it if you could pass this comment on to Chris. I've wanted to contact him personally but didn't have any reliable contact information. Thanks! Hey, this is Seth Ben-Ezra, designer of Dirty Secrets. I wanted to thank the two of you for discussing my game.

My wife did the art direction for the book, and we agreed that, since the game was poking at racial issues, it was vitally important that we select the various photographs with care. I’m glad that this came across well.

And, regarding the Latino “gangster” couple, we actually both think that they’re kind of cute. Reminds us a bit of us, actually. (I’m really tall, and my wife is really short.) I doubt that came across quite as well, but even in that picture, we connected with the basic humanity of the people in the picture.

If possible, I’d appreciate it if you could pass this comment on to Chris. I’ve wanted to contact him personally but didn’t have any reliable contact information. Thanks!

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